Physician Suicide: NPR Interviews TEDMED speaker, Dr. Wible →


This week TEDMED announced, Pamela Wible, M.D., Physicians’ Guardian Angel, as a speaker at this year’s event in Palm Springs, California. She will speak on physician suicide.

Today, Dr. Pamela Wible was interviewed on NPR station, KPLU in Seattle on physician suicide. Listen in: Sound Effect, Episode 28: Someone Saved My Life. (Dr. Wible’s segment begins at 30:34). Full transcript of her interview below:

GS: You’re listening to Sound Effect from KPLU. I’m Gabriel Spitzer and this is the kind of letter that Pamela Wible gets.

PW: “Dear Pamela, An anatomy professor did in fact inform us that we would commit suicide at a higher than average rate and informed us from the lectern how to accomplish it successfully. Considered following the instructions on 3 occasions—most recently when a 4 year old I had in the hospital died.”

GS: Okay, so this is a letter from a fellow doctor—a doctor who’s grappling with thoughts of suicide. Physicians are in the business of saving lives, but they have one of the highest suicide rates of any profession. An estimated 400 doctors a year take their own lives. Pamela Wible is a physician in Eugene, Oregon, and she’s devoted a big part of her career to helping doctors cope with thoughts of suicide. As you can probably tell this is a tough subject that’s not going to be appropriate for all listeners. And this interview in particular gets pretty heavy. It’s about 10 minutes long. When I talked with Wible, she told me about the moment she realized how big a problem physician suicide is.

PW: I was sitting at the memorial service for the third physician that we lost in our small town in just over a year. And I sat there in the second row of his memorial service, and I just started counting the suspicious deaths of doctors and I realized I had quite a number of them, including both men that I dated in medical school.

GS: What is it about the profession that makes suicide a particular risk?

PW: Well, we have kind of an antiquated medical education model that’s based on the, I would say, tough-it-up, suck-it-up, don’t cry, feelings aren’t welcomed here, do your job, do it efficiently—almost a militaristic model of medical training and that’s very dehumanizing to the students. And a lot of medical students actually graduate with PTSD. So it’s a traumatic educational process and I think that’s the root cause of much of this.

GS: Oh, that’s interesting. So it’s really about the paradigm that’s kind of drummed into them in med school and in training?

PW: Right. Because when you compare the mental health of medical students at the beginning of training, they come in with their mental health on par with or greater than their peers. And something happens during medical training that disables them essentially. 

GS: Can you think of an example from your own training that demonstrates that way in which you feel it dehumanized.

PW: Well, besides the obvious sleep deprivation and the massive amount of material that we’re supposed to learn, in my particular program we had to do dog labs which meant that every 4 students were assigned to one dog that used to be a pet and we were supposed to kill it to learn very simple physiologic techniques that could have been learned in other ways. This is absolutely a dehumanizing process that I protested and was able to get exempted from. In fact, they didn’t even refer to this as an experiment. The physiology professor referred to this as an experience—in which there was no alternative. And they actually made fun of me. The dean told me I had, “Bambi Syndrome.”

GS: Do doctors get care when they need it? I mean mental health care. Considering that doctors are dispensing care and counseling patients all the time, you’d think that they would know exactly what they need and how to get it.

PW: No. Absolutely not. In fact, we are not “allowed” to seek mental health care for fear of losing our license. On our licensing applications there is a question that is actually in the same area as the questions about criminality, and DUIs, and felonies. In there, in that section, there’s a question about if you have ever sought mental health care. And if you check yes, you will have to probably meet with the Board in person to describe why you did that. I’ve known a physician, in my town actually in Oregon, who was delayed in getting her license by 6 months because she checked that box being completely honest and why she checked it is she sought counseling during a divorce. Ya know, everyone is depressed during a divorce. She had to pull her records which that counselor had since retired. They made her go get evaluated by another counselor for her mental health before they would allow her an Oregon medical license. 

GB: So that has a chilling effect, huh? 

PW: It has a chilling effect because, ya know, honestly I have a friend who is a psychiatrist—she’s an excellent psychiatrist—and she actually drives 200 miles out of town, uses a fake name, and pays cash to get mental health care. How would you like that? In order to be off-the-grid and not be tracked by the medical boards. 

GS: Oh, wow. 

PW: The other thing I hear from medical students and physicians all they time is that they actually are jealous of their dying patients in hospice and they wish that they could jump in bed and be the one with cancer so they could get some down time and some rest. 

GS: That is so shocking and it’s so different than they lay public perception of doctors. That doctors are either heroic, mission-driven, ya know, saintly people or, ya know, that doctors are businesspeople or whatever. What you’re describing is really alien to folks who aren’t close to the profession, I think.

PW: Physicians are not allowed to really be vulnerable—and to share what’s really going on. So they put on the white starched coat, and smile, and have their bow tie—and nobody really knows what’s going on under that coat. 

GS: So you have chosen to tackle this in some very particular ways including these retreats that you bring health care professionals on. Can you talk about those? What happens on them?

PW: These whole things began as just business strategy retreats to try to help physicians who want to open independent practices. But interestingly, on that day that I went to this gentleman’s memorial, that evening I had a retreat. And I showed up and I had fallen into this physician suicide topic in such a bizarre way and I just thought I would check in with the people attending the retreat and I opened the retreat by asking, “How many of you have lost a colleague to suicide?” And everyone’s hand was raised. And then I asked, “Well, how many of you have considered suicide? And every single hand remained up, including mine, except for the one female nurse practitioner. 

GS: Did that change the nature of those retreats then?

PW: Well, I started to realize that a lot of people came to the retreats for emotional healing and that was really was in the way of them starting their independent practices. Emotional healing is required before we can really be the doctors that we dreamed of being.

GS: So when you’re together in those settings, how to set out about trying to help people?

PW: Well, I think a lot of it is just having these healers off-the-grid. There’s no cell phone, no Internet service. I’ve got 40 to 50 doctors in a lodge room on 150 acres in the mountains of Oregon. And they literally are just finally willing to share the truth about their experiences in medicine and so there’s a lot of crying, there’s a lot of hugging and a lot of validation. And I think people for the first time feel that they’re not defective. The system is defective and they’ve been abused. The other thing that’s so beautiful is actually because we were wounded collectively, I do feel like the treatment for physicians is collective. Meaning pulling off the “weak ones” on the periphery and throwing them into a psychiatrist’s office isn’t the best way to deal with our collective wounds. So I think when you can get healers together they naturally heal one another. It’s a really beautiful thing to witness. 

GS: So you said that when you asked that question about how many people in the room had considered suicide and everyone’s hand went up including yours. What do you want to say about your own struggles with suicidal thoughts?

PW: I want to say that I came into medicine like most people as an idealistic humanitarian that just wanted to help people and the reason why I developed these suicidal thoughts . . . I mean I did get into some major depression in my first year of medical school completely related to those dog labs and watching the dehumanization process of my classmates which was just brutal. But then once I got into [practicing] medicine, ya know you’re always thinking it’s going to be better on the other side, wait until you graduate. But I was much like everyone else in the country funneled into these assembly-line medical jobs which are not the definition of healing, Seven-minute office visits where you’re just feeling that you smacked Band-Aides all over people is not at all health care and so I got depressed and suicidal because I felt that I could not believe I invested 24 years of education, all this time and energy, into a profession that I love, and when you are stuck in a system that does not allow you to be a healer, it’s a absolute assault on your soul. And so that’s where I was—the dark night of the soul.

GS: What helped you emerge from that?

PW: I had an epiphany that if the patients are miserable and I’m miserable and I’m looking at my colleagues and they look miserable, even though, ya know, they’re faking it sometimes and putting on these smiles. I just decided, you know what, I’m going to turn this over to my community. I’m going to lead a town hall meeting and I’m going to ask the end-user—the patient—to design their ideal practice and to write my job description and I’m going to work for them. And I’ve been so happy doing this now for 10 years in what I call, an Ideal Medical Clinic designed by the patient.

GS: Do you see any signs that this is getting any better? Is the training . . .?

PW: Yes! Definitely. Because we’re talking about it. They fear of speaking about the trauma that we experience as medical students and physicians is dissipating so that we’re more able to have this open and with the Internet kind of conversation. And the fact that we are no longer hiding all these bodies and all the data is the big first step. If you think about it, to use a medical analogy, there’s no way you’re going to solve someone’s medical problem until you have the correct diagnosis. Where would we be if we were afraid to say Ebola out loud or HIV? We would be nowhere. And so we’ve got to be able to say physician suicide out loud. And the next question after people recognize that this is a crisis is “why?” And when people start asking why, then we start solving it.

GS: Well, Dr. Pamela Wible is a family physician in Eugene, Oregon and she joined us from the studios of KLCC. She works with doctors in the Northwest and all over the place on suicide prevention. Thank you so much for being on Sound Effect. 

PW: Yeah, thank you! 

Pamela Wible, M.D., offers teleseminars and retreats to help her colleagues heal. Hear her speak live this year at TEDMED in Palm Springs, California. View the 2015 stage program and join us!

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Open your clinic for $3,000—or less! I did. Here’s how. →


“It may sound silly, but what are the bare-bones requirements to practice medicine? I plan to launch a small, low-overhead, cash-only practice, but I’m having difficulty finding a clinic or physician to model.”

No surprise that this doc who called me today is having trouble finding a role model. Most physicians work at high-overhead jobs they hate. Happy docs are in short supply. 

I’m an expert on bare-bones medical practices. In 2005, I wanted to know how low I could go and still operate a real clinic in America. My start up costs? Less than $3000. I’ve learned a lot of savings strategies since then. So I’m pretty sure you can do better. Here are the basics.

Bare-bones requirements: A state medical license. For cash-only, opt out of Medicare. That’s really it. Optional: If you want hospital privileges or to be a “preferred provider” who’s in-network with insurance plans, complete credentialing forms and sign contracts. Done. Want to be out-of-network like me? Skip it all and you can still take insurance. Do NOT make this complicated guys!

Bare-bones start-up costs: An office (mine: $280/mo in 2005, now $425/mo in 2015). Utilities and Internet (included in my rent). Cell phone (mine $68/mo). Malpractice is cheap (mine $1230 first year, $1978 now, divided/billed quarterly). Laptop (I owned one, you probably own one too). Furniture (chairs, table, decor from Goodwill for $200). Exam table (free to $1500, I splurged at $795, ignore if you’re a psychiatrist). Premises liability insurance (included in most malpractice policies). Supplies (KY, gloves, scalpels, gowns for $300). File for LLC if you want ($50 most states).

There’s tons of FREE stuff for clinic start-up including free medical equipment from retiring docs/ hospital overstock. Seriously, you can get pretty much anything from morgue tables to NICU incubators for free! I created a free EMR on my laptop. You can get free business cards online. I use a free e-billing clearinghouse ( to submit claims—and I get paid in a few weeks. Easy! Labs provide free supplies (Pap collection kits, urinalysis containers). Want more free stuff? Just Google “Free ____” and fill in the blank. 

Let’s assume you have your medical license and DEA from your last job. You already have a cell phone and a laptop like most Americans. So if you’re opening a small, low-overhead, cash-only practice, with no staff or on-site lab tests as a sole proprietor, you can do it bare bones for less than $3,000. Even less than $2000. Want to really go bare? Skip malpractice insurance and take off $1000+ per year. Take another $1000 off if you’re a psychiatrist since the only equipment you need is two chairs and your brain.

Congrats! Now invite me to your open house!

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Get a copy of my free No B.S. Guide to Launching Your Ideal Clinic

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Pamela Wible, M.D., is a physician entrepreneur and business strategist who founded the Ideal Medical Care Movement. She was awarded the 2015 Women Leader in Medicine for her pioneering work in medical care delivery and medical student/physician suicide prevention.

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How I got 86% off my malpractice insurance. And you can too! →


I’m a physician entrepreneur. In 1998, I opened my first clinic. My malpractice: $500/year. Then I tried life as an employed physician. Hated it. So in 2005, I opened my ideal clinic. Best. Job. Ever. My malpractice: $1230/year. Want low premiums? Here’s how I did it.

A quick tutorial. New malpractice policies mature over 5 years. So the first 4 years you’re getting a deal. My insurer discounts: year 1 = 64%, 2 = 44%, 3 = 23%, 4 = 11%. In 2005 a mature premium for a family doc here in Oregon was $8800, so at $1230 I got 86% off! Ten years later, my 2015 mature premium is $10,326, but I’m still paying a tiny fraction of that. Here’s how.

Ask for discounts! My insurer offers: board certification = 2.5%, loss prevention CME = 7.5%, and part-time discounts (0.70 FTE = 30%, 0.50 FTE = 50%, 0.25 FTE = 75%). Same policy more than 5 years? Take another 10% off. The great news—discounts are cumulative!

Next step. Always inquire about state credits. Practice in rural Oregon? The state will reimburse your carrier up to 40%. Yep! Take off another 40%. This is in addition to the $5000 state income tax credit for rural docs. Seem too good to be true? I called my insurer to confirm. On the low end of their 2015 Oregon annual premiums is internal medicine at $7,169, psychiatry at $7,275 and peds at $9,912. High end is OB/gyn at $77,233 and neurosurgery at $86,360.

Let’s do some quick math. Say you open a part-time solo practice as a board-certified internist in rural Oregon and you take all applicable discounts and the 40% state reimbursement credit. Your annual malpractice premium? $698. Take your $5000 income tax credit and you actually GET PAID $4302!

A part-time brain surgeon in rural Oregon? Same scenario with all discounts and credits, you pay only $3,412.

As a physician business strategist, I’m always teaching med students and docs how to save money and avoid poor practice decisions. Before signing with an employer or malpractice carrier, look for exclusions (some exclude defense for alleged sexual abuse or board actions). And know how you’ll cover your tail!

To cover your tail, you need tail insurance. For the novice, there are 2 types of malpractice policies: occurrence and claims-made. The less-common occurrence policy protects you from a covered incident occurring during the policy period, regardless of when the claim is filed. Most policies are claims-made and they cover you only when BOTH the incident and claim happen when your policy is in force. So if you move to a new job and afterward a claim is made at your old job during the time you were “covered,” you’re not covered! Tail insurance allows a physician to extend coverage after termination of a claims-made policy. For a fee. Usually 1.5 times your premium. 

Attention! DO NOT EVER sign an employment contract without addressing your tail. When I left one job, I got billed 18K for tail! So at my last job, I negotiated my way out of the standard doctor-pays-tail contract. Then I left. They paid. Happy ending :)

Most policies cover 1 million per incident and 3 million aggregate annually. High-risk specialties may purchase additional coverage—up to to 5 million/10 million. 

By the way, premiums vary wildly between specialties and regions.

Per ISMIE Mutual Illinois, here’s the mature rate for:

A Chicago family doc: $33,788  (> 3x Oregon).

A Chicago internist: $39,444 (> 5.5x Oregon).

A Chicago neurosurgeon: $239,204 (nearly 3x Oregon).

That’s for 1 million/3 million coverage. 

Want a 2 million/4 million policy? That’s $362,396.

Rural Oregon is such a beautiful place for brain surgery.

Want to relocate? No problem. Your tail is $543,594.

Unless you plan to retire.

Then your tail is free.

At least in Oregon :)

Do you want more cutting-edge business strategies?

Join the upcoming teleseminar! 

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Pamela Wible, M.D., founded the Ideal Medical Care Movement and has been awarded the 2015 Women Leader in Medicine. Dr. Wible teaches medical students and physicians the business skills they need to succeed at her biannual physician retreats. Premed and med students encouraged to attend! (You won’t learn this stuff is med school.)

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Medical school bullying? Here’s what you do. →

Medical Scool Bullying

Got a bullier on the loose at your med school? Don’t just sit there. Do something.

I just got off the phone with an old-school pediatrician who shared:

We had a professor who would intimidate us during his lectures. He’d point to somebody in the back of the room and tell them to stop doing what they were doing and pay attention or else! Well our class knew there was nobody in the back making noise. Nobody was discourteous. We checked with the upperclassmen and discovered this had been his routine all along—intimidating the class into submission. We decided that we would not put up with this. The next time, we called him on it. The president of our class stood up and told him, ‘We know what you are doing. There is nobody in the back making noise. We are not staying in your lecture. We are leaving.’ And we got up en masse—all 160 students—and we walked to the dean’s office and reported this. We never saw the professor again.

I asked, “What would you recommend today for medical students who experience bullying?” 

His advice: “Call them on it. The only way to combat bullying it to call it out publicly so everybody recognizes it. Do not let anyone intimidate you—ever.”

Are you getting bullied in medical school?

Contact Dr. Wible or call 541-345-2437


Pamela Wible, M.D., founded the Ideal Medical Care Movement. She was named the 2105 Women Leader in Medicine by American medical students for her work on medical student and physician suicide prevention. She offers popular biannual medical student and physician retreats to help her colleagues heal so they can practice ideal medical care too!

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How Doctors Celebrate Independence Day—They Don’t →


It’s July 4th! All across the country, Americans are celebrating freedom, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Families and friends are relishing potato salad, apple pie, barbecues and parades. 

Is your doctor decked out in red, white, and blue enjoying fireworks from his yacht? Probably not. 

Have you seen any medical students waving little flags? Unlikely. 

The truth is American medicine has little to do with liberation or independence. July 4th is just another day of captivity and confinement for most American doctors—and nearly all medical students.

Once upon a time all doctors were independent—until recently. My parents were both solo docs. Now most physicians are salaried factory workers practicing assembly-line medicine.

In fact, 9 out of 10 doctors wouldn’t recommend medicine as a profession.

Why? Here are a few factoids.

Pages in US tax code: 74,608

Pages of Medicare regulations by which physicians must abide: > 132,000 

Current number of diagnostic and procedure codes doctors must know: 17,000

Number of codes docs are responsible for with new guidelines in October: >140,000.

Percent of working hours doctors spend on non-patient-related paperwork: 22 %

Percent of working hours doctors spend on patient-related paperwork: > 60% 

Percent of time doctors spend looking at computers instead of patients: 40%

Percent of working hours new doctors spend face-to-face with patents: 12% 

Which is how many minutes per patient: 8 

Hourly income for solo psychiatrist (my mom) in 1970s: $120

Hourly income for employed family doc today: < $65

Current student loan debt load for many med students: > 300K

Number of Americans who will lose their doctors to suicide in 2015: > 1,000,000

In the land of live free or die, some chose death. 

I considered it.

Until I decided to live free as a solo doc.

Join me this July 4th to declare your independence.

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Pamela Wible, M.D., is a family physician and pioneer in the ideal medical care movement. She hosts physician retreats to help her colleagues reclaim their lives and careers. Dr Wible has been named 2015 Women Leader in Medicine.

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Medical Student Suicide—Simple Solutions →

Michele and Kevin Dietl

Michele and Kevin Dietl

It’s medical school graduation season!

Here come the caps. The gowns. The smiles. And sighs of relief . . .

Time to celebrate our brand new doctors.

Except for the families that can’t celebrate their child’s graduation. Or their child’s marriage. Or their child’s birthday—ever again.

Like Michele and John Dietl.

They lost their son, Kevin, just weeks before graduation. Now they cling to online condolences and family photos. And to the never-ending question: Why?

I’ve become a sideline specialist in medical student and physician suicide. Why? Mostly because I can’t stop asking why. Why both classmates I dated in medical school died by suicide. Why we lost three doctors in town to suicide. Why my cell phone feels like a suicide hotline. Why I’ve received hundreds of letters from suicidal doctors and medical students. 

A distressed medical student writes:

“We have had two suicides within two years. Just months after starting first year, a male who was top of our class died by suicide. Another student found him after noticing he missed gross anatomy. The second was more public. An internal medicine intern who had just graduated jumped to his death in NYC. He was very charismatic, highly intelligent, and always willing to help out younger medical students.

The students mourned, including me, especially for the latter who I had just met. There have been no talks from the school regarding how to deal with suicide. I personally find it frustrating that my university does little about this. We have one counselor to all of our students and residents. As a community we are afraid to discuss the topic of mental health openly, and that two very excellent, compassionate people were lost to suicide.”

Since medical schools are doing “little about this,” I invited 176 medical students to share what should be done. In their own words, here are the top ten initiatives for immediate implementation:

1) Increase Awareness. Require all medical schools to establish a suicide-awareness campaign and program for early detection. There are marathons/fundraisers to bring awareness to just about everything. Talk about medical student suicide in public, out loud, and utilize every form of media. Alert students’ families to watch for warning signs. Let students know “you are not alone.” Practicing physicians must stop pretending this isn’t happening. To be accredited schools must meet a minimum level safety, requiring suicide prevention initiatives.

2) Decrease Stigma. Minimize stigma by addressing mental health throughout the curriculum. We need physician role models who admit to struggling academically and psychologically and are willing to share how they’ve overcome these struggles. Create a culture where it’s not just okay, but ENCOURAGED to seek mental health help. Never threaten a student. Never say that divulged information will be documented and used against students academically. This shuts down communication. Do not force medical leave for mental health issues. Some of us just need guidance, and high stress brings out our maladaptive coping mechanisms. Forcing us to leave school penalizes us for voicing our mental health concerns.

3) Share Resources. Students must know what is available and how to get help. Offer social/financial/academic resources. Students have real-life milestones during school, like death of loved ones and the end of long-term relationships. The message should be: if you find yourself in trouble, you have options and we’re here to help. We want you to graduate! Give students step-by-step instructions, easy to follow—even when at their lowest low—of what to do if students are contemplating killing themselves. 

4) Institute a Hotline (Online & Offline). Establish suicide hotlines everywhere there are medical students. Offer a website messaging service answered anonymously by students who have survived depression and suicide. People who actually relate to our perspective and can offer hope. Online site would be overseen by licensed mental health professionals and would allow students to access help without time constraints, travel, or treatment costs. The support group atmosphere would allow anonymity, but also rapid intervention via Skype or video chat.

5) Start Annual Screening. Because most suicides come as a total shock, require meetings with a counselor. A mental health check might catch symptoms that others miss. Plus if everyone has to go then no one is being singled out. Let it be okay for students to ask for help with anxiety, depression, suicidal thoughts. 

6) Provide Mentorship & Therapy. Match mentors with med students to give them a reality check and make sure that they’re okay psychologically. Ask students about their hopes and dreams! Send reminder emails every few months with ports of call for help and make it very obvious at a glance that the services will be confidential. Create intentional safe spaces in which students can work through feelings or grief and guilt that arise inevitably during rotations. Many feel traumatized in school. Trauma therapy can really help heal the wounded. 

7) Humanize Medical Education. Avoid curriculums that dehumanize and completely molecularize the human body. Improve academic support for struggling students. Offer the opportunity to retake tests. Learn clinically relevant material rather than stupid factoids. Reform the board exam system so students don’t feel they have to study every hour of every day memorizing minutiae that is completely irrelevant. Integrate clinical work during first two years. Give students time to take care of basic needs like eating good food, sleeping at least seven hours per night, exercising, and caring for relationships. Mental health starts with self-care. 

8) Offer Peer Support. Peer-run support groups at least weekly between classes where students can have heart-to-heart conversations about their day. Start a mental health advocacy group on campus and create a dialogue centered around openness and mutual understanding.

9) Require Physical Education. It sounds really trite, but so many students talk about how they’d love to go for a run if they could just . . . Group exercise or class outings into nature. P.E. Yeah. Physical education. We have all kinds of required science classes that build stress and keep us sitting, but we need a reason to get up and get moving. Depression builds when we sit all day. Helping medical students be physically active would reduce depression and hopefully, suicide. 

10) Stop Bullying. The #1 recommendation: a learning environment free of bullying, with harsh consequences for negative or mean instructors. If we disagree with something the school does, we should not be worried about being in a hostile work environment. Let students know it’s okay to make mistakes and stumble and fall along the way. That is how we grow. Instead of bullying, it’s going to sound silly, but dole out hugs. Like the “Free Hug” movement (where people stand around town, holding a sign: “Free hugs”). Such a basal connection, free from malice. When our loved ones hug us, the release of endorphins and feeling of security is unmatched. Tell medical students it is 100% acceptable to feel what they feel, and to be anything other than honest with themselves is not okay – that the best physicians remember their shared humanity. 

A few weeks ago I got to hug Michele and John Dietl. They were so gracious and kind to me. Honestly, I haven’t had a man open a door for me in decades. They treated me to lunch at a wonderful Italian restaurant in St. Louis. And they told me all about their sweet, beautiful son. Because Kevin was only three weeks from graduation when he died, they told me the school went ahead and printed his diploma.

So Michele and John have their son’s white coat. They have their son’s diploma. They just don’t have their son.

This doesn’t have to happen again.

But today I was just told about another one in San Diego.

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Pamela Wible, M.D., is a pioneer in the ideal medical care movement. When not treating patients, she devotes her time to medical student suicide prevention and leads medical student and physician retreats. Dr. Wible is the recipient of the 2015 Women Leader in Medicine Award. Photo credit: Dietl family.

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